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Harry Pepl * 1945  † 2005
Colour print in a passe-partout mount from Berlin, November 1980: the band in rehearsal clothes at the grand piano on the stage of the Philharmonie, from left Don Haas, Harry Pepl, Benny Goodman with his clarinet, Peter “Fifi” Witte and Charly Antolini. Below, Goodman signed the photo for Pepl: “To Harry, a great guitarist, my best, Benny”.
Dedication photo from Benny Goodman: “To Harry, a great guitarist, my best, Benny”, 1980Photo: musical estate, private collection

Band · 1980 to 1981

Benny Goodman Band 1980/81

Berlin, Rome and Copenhagen

When a European band was put together for two concerts by Benny Goodman at the Berlin Philharmonie in November 1980, Harry Pepl was on guitar. Recordings for the film score to “Fantasma d'Amore” in Rome followed in 1981, along with a television concert at the Tivoli in Copenhagen. For the modern jazz guitarist it was a detour to the “King of Swing”, and yet Goodman was “full of praise” after the second concert, as a letter of 15 November 1980 from Goodman's manager Kurt A. Müller records. Goodman dedicated a photo to him: “To Harry, a great guitarist, my best, Benny”. The concerts have been released on “Berlin 1980” and “Farewell”.

Harry Pepl Guitarist of the band

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At a glance

Leader
Benny Goodman (clarinet)
Berlin line-up
Don Haas (piano), Peter “Fifi” Witte (bass), Charly Antolini (drums)
Concerts
7 and 8 November 1980, Berlin Philharmonie; September 1981, Tivoli Copenhagen
Studio
film score “Fantasma d'Amore”, Rome 1981 (music by Riz Ortolani)
Guests in Copenhagen
Jimmy Maxwell (trumpet), Svend Asmussen (violin)
Releases
Berlin 1980 (TCB Records, 1996), Fantasma d'Amore (CAM, 1992), B.G. World-Wide (TCB, 1993), Farewell (TV Matters, 2003)

Berlin 1980

The occasion was Helmut Schmidt's chancellor's reception as part of the Berliner Festspiele. The musicians were chosen by Kurt A. Müller (1922 to 2014), a Swiss businessman in Bangkok, Goodman's manager and long-standing friend, who later released the recordings together with Peter Schmidlin.1 Pepl at first declined because swing was not his music; his father persuaded him. After a rehearsal on 6 November, the band played at the Philharmonie on 7 and 8 November 1980: Benny Goodman (clarinet), Harry Pepl (guitar), Don Haas (piano), Peter “Fifi” Witte (bass) and Charly Antolini (drums).2 On the album, “Harry Pepl's Blues” is the only track with just one composer credited: an extended, evidently spontaneously improvised blues for which Goodman announced Pepl's solo without it having been agreed.3 Tony Middleton's liner notes put it this way: “this introduction also contained a shock for guitarist Harry Pepl as Benny announces a guitar solo”.4 The concerts were first released in 1993 on CD 4 of the blue Goodman box set “B.G. World-Wide” and in 1996 as the single CD “Berlin 1980”, both on TCB Records (Swiss jazz label).5

A detour to the King of Swing

Around 1980 Harry Pepl was successful with his own, decidedly modern music: with Werner Pirchner, the Austrian composer and vibraphonist, he played in the Jazzzwio, which Jack DeJohnette spontaneously joined on stage at the Saalfelden jazz festival in September 1980 and which appeared at the Montreux Jazz Festival in July 1981 (“Live, Montreux '81”).6 Swing was not his music. When the request came from Berlin, his first thought was: “what am I supposed to do with Benny, I was right in the middle of completely different music”.7 He could not prepare for the repertoire: “I only knew the tunes from The Benny Goodman Story, which I could still somehow hear ringing in my ears. There was no sheet music, nothing at all. So I didn't know a single tune, and Benny didn't give us a programme or anything.”8 That he stepped in like this, almost on the side, with the “King of Swing” and thrilled him impressed many jazz guitarists and musicians, as Daniel Pepl reports.9

Rehearsal with Benny Goodman in Berlin, November 1980: on the left Goodman with his clarinet, in the middle Peter Witte on double bass, behind him Charly Antolini on drums and in front Harry Pepl with guitar and leather jacket.
Rehearsal with Benny Goodman, Berlin 1980Photo: musical estate, private collection

The letter from Bangkok

A week after the concerts, on Saturday, 15 November 1980, a letter from Bangkok arrived in Hernstein, Lower Austria, Austria. According to the family archive, the sender was Goodman's manager Kurt A. Müller: the Swiss businessman living in Bangkok, a long-standing friend of Goodman and a collector, who co-organised the concerts, chose the European musicians, made the recordings and took photographs. Looking back, Pepl called him Goodman's “manager, or a friend”.10 The letter records: “After the second concert Benny Goodman was full of praise for you and your colleagues.” Anyone who played with Goodman had to be good, it says, because he was an absolute perfectionist. And further: “When you took off with your solo at the start of the second concert, Benny really got going, in a way I had not seen him for many years”; Charly Antolini, Peter Witte and Don Haas swung along, and the whole quintet jammed as it had only done in Goodman's early years. The second concert took place on Saturday, 8 November 1980. The account matches the passage in the liner notes according to which Goodman announced a guitar solo without warning and Pepl improvised the blues that went on the record as “Harry Pepl's Blues”.4 Goodman's only regret was that Pepl did not play a “natural”, that is acoustic, guitar; he would have liked that even better. The audience went wild, as the tape recordings showed. Müller announced photos and asked for a tape of swinging music, which he wanted to copy for Goodman.11

On the concert evening with Benny Goodman in Berlin, November 1980: Harry Pepl (second from left) laughing in a dinner jacket with three gentlemen whose names have not come down to us.
Harry Pepl in a dinner jacket, Berlin 1980Photo: musical estate, private collection

In honour of Helmut Schmidt

According to family tradition, the Berlin concerts were held in honour of the West German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt, a great admirer of Goodman. Pepl himself spoke of “Helmut Schmidt's party” after the concert, and Nikolaus Kohler writes that Schmidt had wished for the concert as part of a chancellor's reception in his honour.12 According to France Musique (the classical and jazz station of Radio France), Schmidt attended the first of the two concerts.13 Two days earlier, on 5 November 1980, the Bundestag had re-elected him chancellor.14 A photo from the estate shows Goodman in conversation with Schmidt. For the evening Pepl swapped the leather jacket of the rehearsals for a dinner jacket: “and in the evening straight away all elegant, with a bow tie”.15

Benny Goodman (left, in a dinner jacket) in conversation with the West German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt, Berlin, November 1980, around the concerts at the Philharmonie. Colour print from the estate.
Benny Goodman and Chancellor Helmut Schmidt, Berlin 1980Photo: musical estate, private collection

From this time comes an anecdote that Harry Pepl told in the family: the Austrian actor and director Otto Schenk (1930 to 2025) spoke only English with him, because he took him for an American.16

Rome and Copenhagen 1981

In Rome in 1981 the band recorded jazz versions of Riz Ortolani's film score for Dino Risi's film “Fantasma d'Amore” with Romy Schneider and Marcello Mastroianni; for this Pepl borrowed a Gibson from a music shop.17 In September 1981 a television concert followed at the Tivoli in Copenhagen with the guests Jimmy Maxwell (trumpet) and Svend Asmussen (violin), released in 2003 as “Farewell” on DVD and CD. It was Pepl's last collaboration with Goodman; he declined a further concert in Vienna.18

Swing with a small amplifier

For Goodman, Pepl changed his sound: no reverb, no delay, a small amplifier, „wie der Großvater von Charlie Christian“ [“like Charlie Christian's grandfather”]. In the process he learned to play swing, but saw no effect on his later playing.19 After Berlin, Goodman sent him a photo of a rehearsal on the stage of the Philharmonie with a dedication; it is in the family archive.20 On a second rehearsal photo from Berlin, Goodman wrote “To Harry, my best, Benny”.21

Rehearsal at the Berlin Philharmonie, November 1980: on the left Don Haas at the grand piano, in the middle Benny Goodman with his clarinet, behind him Peter “Fifi” Witte on double bass and Charly Antolini on drums, front right Harry Pepl with guitar and leather jacket. At the bottom Goodman signed the photo for Pepl in black felt-tip pen: “To Harry, my best, Benny”.
Dedication photo from Benny Goodman: “To Harry, my best, Benny”, Berlin 1980Photo: musical estate, private collection
Notes and sources (21)
  1. Liner notes of the box set “B.G. World-Wide” (TCB Records, TCB 4301-2, 1993; Tony Middleton, Kurt Weil), as noted by Daniel Pepl, 17 October 2026; Lippmann+Rau Foundation, Eisenach, Kurt A. Müller collection (https://www.lippmann-rau-stiftung.de/); obituary “Möge der Swing weiterklingen”, Der Farang, 22 February 2014. ↩
  2. Kohler 2006, pp. 50 to 54. ↩
  3. Kohler 2006, p. 54. ↩
  4. Tony Middleton, liner notes to Benny Goodman, “Berlin 1980” (TCB Records, 1996), quoted from Kohler 2006, p. 54; according to Discogs, Middleton also wrote the liner notes of the “B.G. World-Wide” box set together with Kurt Weil. ↩
  5. Discogs, release 4837603 (B.G. World-Wide, TCB 4301-2, 1993) and release 3844258 (Berlin 1980, TCB 43022, 1996). ↩
  6. Kohler 2006, p. 82; Live, Montreux '81 (WEA 58 393), recorded on 12 July 1981. ↩
  7. Kohler 2006, p. 52 (interview 2-3); translated from the German. ↩
  8. Kohler 2006, p. 53 (interview 2-7); translated from the German. ↩
  9. Information from Daniel Pepl, 17 October 2026. ↩
  10. Kohler 2006, pp. 51 and 53 (interview 2-6 and footnote 144); Discogs, release 3844258 (Kurt A. Mueller: recording, executive producer, photos). ↩
  11. Letter to Harry Pepl, Bangkok, 15 November 1980, one page, typewritten, signed by hand; Harry Pepl estate, original in the press archive for registered users. Sender according to the family archive: Goodman's manager Kurt A. Müller (information from Daniel Pepl, 10 September 2020). Quotations translated from the German. ↩
  12. Kohler 2006, pp. 51 and 53 (interviews 2-3 and 2-7); family tradition, Daniel Pepl on Facebook, April 2020. ↩
  13. France Musique, “Jazz au Trésor: Benny Goodman: Berlin 1980”, Alex Dutilh, 30 May 2016. ↩
  14. German Bundestag, calendar page on 5 November 1980 (https://www.bundestag.de/webarchiv/textarchiv/2014/kalenderblatt-276628). ↩
  15. Kohler 2006, p. 54 (interview 2-13); translated from the German. ↩
  16. Story told by Harry Pepl, handed down by Daniel Pepl (information of 17 October 2026). ↩
  17. Kohler 2006, pp. 55 to 58. ↩
  18. Kohler 2006, pp. 58 to 59, 62 to 63. ↩
  19. Kohler 2006, pp. 61 to 62 (interview 2-14). ↩
  20. Kohler 2006, pp. 62 to 63; photo in the Pepl private archive. ↩
  21. Dedication photo in the Harry Pepl estate, Pepl private archive; print signed by Goodman in black felt-tip pen. ↩

Voices

To Harry, a great guitarist, my best, Benny

Benny Goodman Handwritten dedication on a rehearsal photograph from the Berlin Philharmonie, November 1980, Pepl private archive; cf. Kohler 2006, p. 62 f.

Benny had such a radiance, really, in his phrasing and in everything, it was absolutely brilliant

On Benny Goodman, the “King of Swing”, with whom he played concerts in 1980

Harry Pepl On Benny Goodman; conversation with Nikolaus Kohler (Interview 2-10), quoted in Kohler 2006, p. 60

Somehow I played like Charlie Christian’s grandfather, so even older.

Self-ironic, on the 1980 concerts with Benny Goodman, the “King of Swing”: for the swing repertoire he deliberately played through a small amplifier without reverb, while at the time he was otherwise making very modern music of his own with heavy reverb, delay and effects. Charlie Christian was Goodman’s guitarist around 1940 and a pioneer of the electric jazz guitar

Harry Pepl On the concert with Benny Goodman; conversation with Nikolaus Kohler (Interview 2-14), quoted in Kohler 2006, p. 61

He swings like hell

Harry Pepl über Benny Goodman Wulf Müller, blog “European Jazz Masters Of The Past”, 5 February 2024

After the second concert Benny Goodman was full of praise for you and your colleagues.

Kurt A. Müller Letter from Goodman's manager Kurt A. Müller to Harry Pepl, Bangkok, 15 November 1980; translated from the German

When you took off with your solo at the start of the second concert, Benny really got going, in a way I had not seen him for many years

Letter from Kurt A. Müller, manager of Benny Goodman, the “King of Swing”, after the second concert at the Berlin Philharmonie in November 1980

Kurt A. Müller Letter from Goodman's manager Kurt A. Müller to Harry Pepl, Bangkok, 15 November 1980, on the second concert with Benny Goodman at the Berlin Philharmonie on 8 November 1980; translated from the German

So I didn't know a single tune, and Benny didn't give us a programme or anything.

On the concerts with Benny Goodman, the “King of Swing”, in Berlin in 1980, for which he arrived without sheet music or a set list

Harry Pepl On the concerts with Benny Goodman in Berlin in 1980; conversation with Nikolaus Kohler (interview 2-7), quoted in Kohler 2006, p. 53; translated from the German

Releases

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Benny Goodman: Harry Pepl's Blues (Berlin 1980, 1996)

1996 · TCB Records, 1996

“Harry Pepl’s Blues”, track 3 of the album “Berlin 1980” (TCB Records, 1996): Benny Goodman (clarinet), Harry Pepl (guitar), Don Haas (piano), Peter Witte (bass), Charly Antolini (drums). Recorded at the Berlin concerts of 1980, prepared in 2020 for the Ö1 radio programme on Harry Pepl’s 75th birthday.

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Questions and answers

When did Harry Pepl play with Benny Goodman?

In 1980 and 1981: at two concerts on 7 and 8 November 1980 at the Berlin Philharmonie, at recordings in Rome in 1981 and, in September 1981, at a television concert at the Tivoli (amusement park and concert venue) in Copenhagen.

On which recordings can Pepl be heard with Goodman?

On “Berlin 1980” (TCB Records, Swiss jazz label, 1996), on the film score “Fantasma d'Amore” (CAM, 1992), on the compilation “B.G. World-Wide” (1993) and on “Farewell” from Copenhagen (TV Matters, 2003).

What is “Harry Pepl's Blues”?

An extended, evidently spontaneously improvised blues from the Berlin concerts of 1980. On the album “Berlin 1980” it is the only track with Harry Pepl as sole composer; Goodman announced his solo without having agreed it beforehand.

What did Benny Goodman write to Harry Pepl?

On a rehearsal photo from the Berlin Philharmonie he wrote: “To Harry, a great guitarist, my best, Benny”.

What did Benny Goodman think of Harry Pepl's playing?

According to a letter of 15 November 1980 from Goodman's manager Kurt A. Müller, Goodman was “full of praise” after the second concert in Berlin; during Pepl's solo at the start of that concert he got going as he had not done for years. His only regret was that Pepl did not play an acoustic guitar.

Was Chancellor Helmut Schmidt at the concerts?

Yes: according to France Musique, Helmut Schmidt attended the first concert on 7 November 1980. According to family tradition and Pepl's own account, the concerts were held in honour of the chancellor, a great admirer of Goodman, followed by a reception.

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